Portfolio

Hello Students,

Please note that the deadline for each of you to turn in the Portfolio is onWednesday, Dec 8th, from 10 am till 4 pm. I will be in my office @ COAS 245 during the time period.

The Portfolio will include:

1. Research Project: 2 copies.

1st copy: Your complete Draft with changes highlighted & my comments
2nd copy: Your revised Draft highlighting the changes you made after working on my comments

2. Cover Letter

Please put them all in a Folder, label the Folder:

Portfolio
Student's name:
Instructor's name:
Class
Date

Let me know if you have questions

TP

LAB classes

Hi students

We will have LAB classes from this moment till the end of the semester as followed:

Nov 30th: In-class writing – Revise Project II

from 1:10 - 2:25: LAB 2. 110
from 2:35 - 3:50: LAB 2. 150

Dec 2nd: In-class writing - Cover Letter

from 1:10 - 2:25: LAB 2. 160
from 2:35 - 3:50: LAB 2. 150

Dec 7th: In-class writing – revised Cover Letter

from 1:10 - 2:25: LAB 2. 110
from 2:35 - 3:50: LAB 2. 150

Your Project II (with my comments) will be returned to you for revision.

Please come on time.

See you all soon.

IMPORTANT!!!

Hi Students,

I hope your weekend went by greatly and that you've finished the work for the class too.

So, I am going to collect the COMPLETE Project II of yours tomorrow during class time. You will turn in 2 copies (1st copy: your Project II with corrections + stamp from the Writing center; and 2nd: your revised draft with changes highlighted). I will be in our regular classroom from 1:10. Please be on time.

One minor change in our AGENDA, as indicated in the blog, is the deadline for you to turn in your Portfolio is moved forward to Dec 8. The reason is Dec 10 is the Dead Day so you don't have to come to school. Please schedule the work and let finish it WELL and on time.

One more thing, regarding the presentation of Project II. I would need half of our class population to present on Nov 18 and the other half on Nov 23. I will ask for sign-in tomorrow when we meet.

Let me know if you have any questions.

See you all tomorrow.

TP

LAB classes Nov 9 & 11

Hi all,

We will have LAB classes again for this week @ LAB 2. 164. Please bring your works to finish and be on time.

Good night!!!

LAB Classes on Nov 4

Hi all,

We will have classes in LAB 2. 160 tomorrow, Nov 4. Please bring your incomplete work to go on and be on time.

See you all there.

Class Tomorrow

Hi all,

As planned, you have been working on revising your Research Proposal and Annotative Bibliography. Please bring hard copies of the works to class tomorrow to turn in.

And all two classes tomorrow will be in LAB 2.110. Please be online.

Good night!!!

Follow Up

Hi everyone,

The classes tomorrow were planned to take place in the LAB. However, there's no LAB availabilty for our sections at the moment. So, instead of having the classes tomorrow in the LAB, you will now either work at home or in the library. This extra time is given to you to follow up what you have been missing to this point of time. Please check the AGENDA and catch up with the work.

See you all again on Tuesday, Nov. 2

TP

REMINDER!!!

Hi all,

Please don't forget to bring a HARD COPY of the handout (with 3 research topics) that you filled out last week to class tomorrow.

See you all in class.

Good night ^.^

SQR #6

Salvador Chavez and Shang Wang
ENG. 1320/1301.161
Trang Phan
Oct. 7, 2010
Author(s):Peter Elbow “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. Collage English,Vol.49,No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-60
The more experience writers will go and write and try to suit the reader and they
don’t even take their own consider into it; and the least experienced will go off and just w
rite what they feel making it about them self’s which end up difficult to understand by the
readers. This audience can make us be in a state of mind that is hard to translate thoughts
into words because we are too nervous to do so. The audience awareness disturbs and
disrupts our Writing and thinking without completely blocking it. An audience can be as a
field force when writers begin to think about readers as they write to try to express their
ideas and main points clearly. As a listener I can get more ideas I wasn’t thinking about
closing your eyes as you speak can help you regain your thoughts and express better your
ideas. According to one of the models people learn discourse because they have an audience,
and this is good to be a better writer.
Question: Elbow argues that the audience is a field force. What do you understand about? Have you experience inviting enabling?
Response: I do agree that the audience is a field force because it impacts you in
a certain way that can make shy and nervous or make you have more ideas. It feels
like a rush of energy flowing through your body make you have different feelings and
thoughts. Yes I have experience enabling because some times when I prepare a speech
and I go and present it more ideas came to my mind as I’m talking in front of the
audience and the speech came up different than I planned to be.

SQR 6 Brenda Carmona

Brenda Carmona

ENG 1320/1301.161

Trang Phan

10/4/10

SQR #6

Author: Peter Elbow “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: Argument for Ignoring Audience”

Source: College of English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69

Summary

It is said that while one speaks they close their eyes to ignore the audience and arguments so that they can avoid audience awareness. Peter Elbow belives that an audience is a field of force. He also says “the effect of audience awareness is somewhere between the two extremes: the awareness disturbs or disrupts our writing and thinking without completely blocking it out.” (pp.51-52) Different people may not close their eyes as they speak but at times I catch myself doing that and it helps me block out everything and it makes me think better maybe not for everyone but for me it works. It sometimes becomes an overload when speaking in front of an audience so start by ignoring them and focus on your thinking when done thinking you can turn to the audience. When I feel overloaded is if I hear the audience I lose my focus and don’t know where to begin from.

Question:

Peter Elbow argues that the audience is a field force. What do you understand? Have you experienced it?

Response:

I belive that the audience is a feel of force because an audience can distract you or make you nervous. We can make a statement infront of the audience and they can react in a bad way so you can become afraid or go blank. The audience though is good because they can judge your speech but you may not like what they have to say about it. It is something that one has to deal with when having an audience.

Baltazar Herrera SQR 6

Author:  Peter Elbow, Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience

Source: College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan, 1987) pp.50-69

Published by: National Council of Teachers of English

What this article is mainly about is the way the author will write an essay or an article and to whom he is directing it to. The more experienced writers will go and write and try to suit the reader and they don’t even take their own consideration into it; and the least experienced will go off and just write what they feel and they make it too about them self’s witch will end up bad for the readers. It is also very difficult for writers to write for a group of people because this there are several different types of audiences and many time the writers will take their opinion into the writing. There is three types of audiences its inviting, enabling and inhibiting; each with their own opinion on an article. You see fir inviting and enabling what the author dose is he will try to make his writing a little more structured and better use of words; and for the inhibiting and for the inhibiting they try to use strong words to keep the readers into the story. This type of audiences is the reason that the authors will choose on who their writing is trying to reach.

Elbow argues that an audience is a field of force. What do you understand about this? Have you ever experienced inviting/enabling audiences or inhibiting ones for your writing? Can you explain how it felt?

You see I think that there is a force that cans ether helps of kill the writers writing. The audience is what the judge of writing is and for the most part they are the one who will end up critic in the paper. And that is what most of the writers fear. They fear that people will misjudge there paper of simply not understand it. I understand that this can help of kill the paper. I have never experienced any type of audiences for my writing because I have never written for a large mass of people, but I have spoken in front of my class and I see that I could relate what I felt when I was giving my speech to this situation. You see I was in my speech class and I guess I gave a boring speech and everyone was falling asleep and I felt I didn’t achieve what I was trying to say. The way I felt was horrible I just wanted to get off the podium and just sit down.

SQR#6 Jaime Garza & J. J. Zapata

Jaime Garza & J.J. Zapata
ENG 1320/1301.161
Instructor: Trang Phan
10/7/2010

Closing My Eyes as I Speak

Citation:

Peter Elbow.”Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol.49, No.1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69

Summary:

In this article written by Peter Elbow he talks about the basic principles of how the mindset should be of a writer when approaching his/her works before writing. An audience can be compared to a field of force when writers begin to think about the readers in order to convey their message clearly. Writers that write to readers who have uncomfortable relationships tend to write about uninteresting things and confuse the readers and that is not something anyone wants to do.  Writers need to think about the audience before writing no matter who he/she is writing to, this is a form of writing rhetorically. To think about the audience is a much better thing to do in whatever type of writing in order to not be so self centered. One this is applied writers have to go on and on in keeping their readers in mind as long as the writing continues to go right. Doing this will definitely satisfy readers as long as his/her message is not vague and is clear. The goal to a well written paper is to engage readers to want to read more and more making them interested every single time they read a good writers work.

Question:

Elbow argues that an audience is a field of force. What do you understand about this? Have you ever experienced inviting/enabling audiences or inhibiting ones for your writing? Can you explain how it felt?

Response:

An audience is a field of force because you feel different things when you are doing something with an audience, by the word force I understand that it forced you to make some mistakes or different things that what you have planned, I divide the field of force in two, the positive and the negative, the positive is when you get inspired with the audience and the negative is when you get shy or scared with the audience, I have experience both of them, sometimes I get inspired because the audience likes what I’m doing and It felt very good to see that they are interested in your work, and in the negative, sometimes I get scared because I can see that the audience is not interested in my work and it felt very weird and sad that they didn’t like my work, It’s insulting. In conclusion I agree with Elbow’s write, the audience is a field of force.

SQR #6 Miguel A. Garcia, Jose Mata

Student’s name: Jose Mata, Miguel A. Garcia
ENG 1320/1301. 161
Instructor’s name: Trang Phan
Date: September 29, 2010

Closing my eyes as I speak: an argument for ignoring audience

To close the eyes as speak can be useful to erase the awareness of audience, when a speaker or writer needs all his concentration to figure out or to express what they want to say. Even though ignoring audience usually leads us to a weak writing at first this weak writing can help us in the end for a better writing than we would have written if we have readers in mind from the beginning. Limited Claim, It is not that writers should never think about their audience it is a question of when. An audience is a field of force. The closer we get, the more we think about the readers. The practical question, then, is always whether a particular audience functions as a helpful field of force or one that confuses or inhibits us. Some audiences, for example, are inviting or enabling. When we think about them as we write, we think of more and better things to say-and what we think somehow arrives more coherently structured than usual. Other audiences, however, are powerfully inhibiting-so much so, in certain Cases, that awareness of them as we write blocks writing altogether. There are certain people who always make us feel dumb when we try to speak to them: we can't find words or thoughts. As soon as we get out of their presence, all the things we wanted to say pop back into our minds. The effect of the audience is somewhere between the two extremes disturbs or disrupts or writing. When we have to write to readers whom we have a complicated relationship we always feel shy or scared, when students have to write to readers they have not met they often find nothing to say except repeated clichés they don’t even  believe.

Peter Elbow, Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience, College English Vol. 49 No. 1 (Jan., 1987) pp. 50-69, National Council of Teachers of English

Q.-How thinking in audience can affect our writing?

There are several types of audience. There are some who make you feel more comfortable with, this means that ideas, thoughts and sentences comes easily to your mind thus those kind of audiences help you to do a better job clearer and well structured. In the other hand, there are some audiences that may inhibit us and turn our writing into bad writing; someone who make us feel uncomfortable like our manager or even our parents. Also there are some audiences that we do not know and we often find nothing to say except repeated clichés they do not believe.

SQR #6 Irma De Leon, Mireya Gonzalez

Irma Y. De Leon

Mireya Gonzalez

Eng 1320/1301.161

Inst.: Trang Phan

Date: 10-04-10

SQR #6

Author(s):  Peter Elbow “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: Argument for Ignoring Audience”

Source: Collage of English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69

Summary

            This story is about a writer by the name of  Peter Elbow who close his eyes as he speak for ignoring audience and arguments that way he attempt to avoid audience awareness. What we think about this story and my conclusions to, it is that everything is about our behavior and sense of things one of the examples is closing your eyes as you speak, that is an instinctive attempt to blot out awareness and it is an instinct of behavior. The reading also explain that is very smart to use writer base prose because sometimes is better than reader base prose because I can explore some theories underlining these issues to the audience. Some Audience for example are inviting or enabling that kind of audience make me feel I can write better detail and structural way, and make me have more ideas to make a good writing. Also as a listener I feel smart and come up with ideas we didn’t know we had. Sometimes we realize how often audience are aware of the effect of us as student, some times we often start beating around the bush and feel sad, scared or start to write in a stilled  overly careful style or voice and we have to be an educated reader.

Question:

Elbow argues that the audience is a field force. What do you understand about? Have you experienced inviting enabling?

Response:

The audience is a feel of force because an audience can make you nervous and also can distract you. Also we can make any comment in front of audience that you can’t ever know and make you frustrated of what you are going to say and have fears on what their reaction would be. Like in our daily life’s we tend to have anxiety on doing a speech to the audience because you can get them bored and inpatient thru your comments and reading. But, audience is a good source of representing and judging your speech. There fore you might get intimidated by there thoughts and thinking.  

SQR #6

Andrew Schlieper, Ryan Pena
English 1320/1301.161
Trang Phan
SQR #6
S: The article talks about when to and not to block out audiences in writing. Blocking out an audience is equivalent to closing one’s eyes when speaking to a group. The reasons why people try to block out their audience, when writing, is to help themselves write without hindrance. When a person is starting a writing assignment, they either; think about the audience and write towards them in the beginning, or they just start writing a general article and later on focus it in the direction of the audience. The reasons why some people can think about the audience is that they use them to drive the points of the essay. This is bad due to the fact that over use of the reader-based prose sometimes leads to a loss of the writes point. But not thinking of the reader can also lead to an essay that is incoherent to the reader. What a writer needs to do is balance between writer and reader to help themselves and the reader to understand the point of the article.
Q: What is your definition of a hindering audience? Is your definition similar or different than the texts? What does the article say about how to deal with these types of audiences? What do you do to help yourself get around obstacles in writing?
R: A hindering audience is one that will stop the writer’s thought flow. Rather than allowing the author to think and write without stopping, it mentally blocks or slows down the writer’s train-of-thought, like a cliff or a turn. This is similar to how a hindering audience is described in the section titled “A Limited Claim” (pg. 51) in paragraph 3. “Other audiences, however, are powerfully inhibiting…find just what we need to write.” The article goes on to say that when we have to write to these audiences we should block them out. When I am faced with writing a difficult essay, I tend to put my thoughts down first then expand on them then try to put them into a style that addresses the audience it is directed towards.

SQR#6 Israel Flores, Edgar Ocana

Israel Flores, Edgar Ocana

ENG 1320/1301. 161

Instructor: Trang Phan

Date: 10/7/10

                            CLOSING MY EYES AS I SPEAK

Citation: Peter Elbow. ” Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69

Summary:

When I close my eyes to speak is a text that the author uses to refer shut out the audience.  This technique is used to transform you to a comfortable place.  When you write you don’t have an audience so you don’t worry about what you are writing about. When a writer has to speak in front of an audience you can get nervous and that is when you close your eyes to shut out the audience.  Audience awareness is hard for two reasons: if you find your audience to be intimidating such as student do to teacher that will put a lot of pressure on your writing, and second is when you write to someone you know.  When you write to someone you know you can become shy and timid so that can affect the way you write.  Some people believe that writer base prose is effective writing because you write what your thoughts and feeling without considering the audience. As opposed to reader base prose when target an audience and adjust their thoughts.  Whatever strategies you use in writing find a comfort zone where you find yourself blocking your audience and it won’t affect your writing abilities.

Question:

Elbow argues that an audience is a field of force. What do you understand about this? Have you ever experienced inviting/enabling audiences or inhibiting ones for your writing? Can you explain how it feels?

Response:

I agree on what Elbows said about an audience being a field force. Because many people have experienced it, but you have not noticed yet. It has happened to me many times in my life. Inhibiting audience is when let’s say you are trying to say a joke in front of people you don’t know. But you get this wired feeling and you start forgetting what to say. The audience becomes your fear, and without even noticing this can stop your brain from processing the information you already know, that’s when you say my head or my mind went blind, everything you know can be blocked from your mind so the knowledge you knew is temporarily out of service. Because you are thinking that maybe there are not going to laugh. The inviting audience is when you feel conferrable in front of the people maybe because you already know them or you’re not worried on what you are going to say. Maybe in front of your family because you already how you are.

Sebastian Salinas, David Munoz

Sebastian Salinas Trevino & David Munoz
ENG 1320/1301.161
Instructor: Trang Phan
Date: 0/10/2010

Closing my eyes as I speak

Peter Elbow. “Closing my eyes as I speak: an argument for audience”. College English, vol. 49 No.1(Jan. 1987) pp. 50-69

Summary:

When we are speaking is very different than when we are writing. When we are speaking we are in front of people and we can make mistakes and we cannot fix them, that is the big difference about speaking and writing. When we are writing we don’t need to see the people who is reading, we don’t even need to know them; when we write and we make a mistake it is as easy as erase it and nobody is going to know it because we can fix the mistakes before we publish the article, but when we are speaking everybody who is listen carefully will know that you made a mistake, and we can do more things like speak very loud, feel scary, feel shy, things like that and when we are writing we don’t feel that things. It is easier to the people to express better  writing than speaking, because when we write we have more time to think an d put better ideas in the paper, and when we are speaking we cannot do that. That’s why the author said “closing my eyes as I speak” because it is like you are alone and when we write we are alone, that’s why it is better to write than speak.

Question:

1. Elbow argues that an audience is a field of force. What do you understand about this? Have you ever experienced inviting/enabling audiences or inhibiting ones for your writing? Can you explain how it feel?

Response:

I agree with he, it is like a field of force because when you are speaking in front of an audience you can feel shy, scary, nervious, and you cant say all you want to say because you feel nervious. It feels very bad because you are thinking in other things. When is inviting you feel more comfortable with them and when they are inhibiting you fell very bad and you feel like you are not doing a good job or something.

The audience becomes your fear, and with out even noticing this can stop your brain from processing the information you already know, that’s when you say my head or my mind went blind, everything you know can be blocked from your mind so the knowledge you knew is temporarily out of service.

This the only explanation that I can as a person describe, this is complex only people

who have been exposed of being heard from and audience can know exactly how it

feels, it’s a matter of having the experience.

SQR 6 ROCIO RENDON, MAYRA HERNANDEZ

ROCIO RENDON, MAYRA HERNANDEZ

ENG. 1301/1320.161

Instructor: Trang Phan

October 6, 2010

CLOSING MY EYES AS I SPEAK

CITATION: Authors: Peter Elbow ,Source: College English Vol. 49. No. 1 (Jan. 1997). pp. 59-69

published by: National Council of Teachers of English Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/377789 Assessed: 20/08/2010 15:42

This article gave us a real 360 turn to our whole perception of what thinking what to write was all about.Not only because i felt this kind of reaction really familiar in the moment of writing. Writing is a whole new concept of what we think and feel combined making us close our eyes whenever we feel we need to connect with our internal thoughts,and most profound feelings. This kind of reaction happens very often making us get in problems sometimes when we want to avoid the crowd looking straight at us searching for an answer or just waiting for one. It is clear that this arguement for writing without audience awareness of some time, for example that we are reliable to neglect audience because we write in solitude, that young people often need more practice in taking into account the points of view different from their own and that students often have an improvised sense of writing as communication because they have only written in a shcool setting to teachers.

Question?

* What do you think when the author says " the effect of audience awareness is somewhere between the two extremes: the awareness disturbs or disrupts our writing and thinking without completely blocking it" (p.51-52) (by your own words) ?



* Response:


When you read this statement and analyzed it, you can know that this thought it is totally true, for example on the first extremes that is the when the audience disturbs you : because sometimes the audience distract you from what do you want to express or say and you star to writing or thinking wholly defensively for the fear about been criticism what the other people think or say of your writing or speech, but on the other hand when the audience did that you block your mind for completely , there is when you have to work harder to fix and move on with you writing , because when the audience is somehow confusing , the solution is fairly obvious, we can ignore that the audience during the stages of writing and direct our words only to ourselves or to no one in particular.

G. Berenice, Zaira SQR 6

G. Berenise De La Rosa, Zaira Montellano
ENG 1320/1301. 161
October 3, 2010
SQR 6

Citation: Peter Elbow. “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49 No. 1(Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69.
This article is starting off as explaining on how the author deals with audience, feels about talking or reading to them and how he does it. Peter says that young people have different points of views since they have only written to their teachers. In the limited claim in explains what the audience means to the speaker, whether it is either inviting or enabling. When people think about the audience when they write, they think of more and better things to say. The effects of audience awareness is disturbs or disrupts and thinking without completely blocking it. On a more ambitious claim, ignoring an audience can lead to better writing. As they explained in Flowers article, write-based prose is better than reader-based prose. This section is mainly saying that a writer can do their writing better when they do not think about the reader and just concentrate on what they are writing. There is a third section which is two models of cognitive development which it emphasis on audience awareness probably derives from a cognitive development. As Flower relates writer-based prose to the inability to “decenter” which is characteristic of Piaget’s early stages of development and she relates reader-based prose to later more mature stages of development. What i think this article is mainly explaining is how a writer thinks about an audience and whether it is good to have them or better to just ignore them.

Question:
In page 53, the author concluded that “it’s often difficult to work out new meaning while thinking about readers”. Do you agree with this argument? Please explain.

Response:
We definitely agree, with the authors conclusion. We compared it to when you first assigned us an SQR, we had absoulutly no idea of what you expected from of. To be honest we really werent sure if to turn it in or not, I guess we were afraid to fail the assignment. We really spent hours think of what it was that you were going to look for when greading the whole SQR together. It wasn’t a new meaning, but it was a paper form that us both had never heard about nor ever worked with.

SQR 6

Victoria Hernandez and Erick Gomez

Eng 1320/1301.161

Prof: Trang Phan

Date: 10/5/10

SQR6

Summary:

Peter Elbow. ” Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69

In the article “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”, written by Peter Elbow, he cover a quote “Very often people don't listen to you when you speak to them. It’s only that when you talk to yourself they prick their ears up”- John Ashbarry. If so, is the quote true, must we forget are audience to get our point across or is there a balance point where the speaker can connect to the audience and successful deliver his point of view. There are three types of audience and they are: inviting, enabling and powerfully inhibiting. An inviting audience will help the read communicate his idea clearly and give him there full attention, but an enabling audience might send the speaker some doubtful feelings towards his topic and might try to change his work on the spot, in doing so, change his point. The last type of audience is called inhibiting audience, yet, it goes back to inviting, although this time it has much more details. Inhibiting explains more to detail what the speaker is feeling when he gets a response from the audience. Therefore, the point is that the speaker depends on the audiences’ feedback.

Question:

The author says: “when attention to audience causes an overload, start out by ignoring them while you attend to your thinking; after you work out your thinking, turn your attention to audience” (p. 53). How could you know when it’s overloaded?


Response:

One knows when it is overloaded because it is the time that one gets too nervous. At this point one should not put too much attention to the audience and should start to relax. In other words, one should start to relax and think more on what they are trying to say rather than what the audience is thinking.

SQR 6 Guillermo Cabrera/Raymundo Rivera

Guillermo Cabrera
ENG 1320/1301.161
Trang Phan
10/4/10
Summary 6 Guillermo Cabrera/Raymundo Rivera
Citation: Author(s): Peter Elbow “Closing My Eyes as I Speak: An Argument for Ignoring Audience”. College English, Vol. 49, No. 1 (Jan., 1987), pp. 50-69
In this article, the author is trying to persuade the reader not to block the audience when speaking what we have writing in our paper. The author also explains that we either speak to two types of audience. The first one is enabling this audience is like talking to the perfect listener: we feel smart and come up with ideas we didn’t know we had. And then we have the inhibiting audience this are the people who always makes us feel dumb when we try to speak to them: we can’t find words or thoughts. The audience awareness disturbs or disrupts our writing and thinking without completely blocking it. In this article the author also talks about how writer base prose is better than reader based prose because many of us use writer base prose to block our audience from writing. The author also talks about two models discourse as communication and discourse as poesis or play. According to one model they learn discourse because they have an audience, and we need the other model to show us what is also true, namely that it is characteristic of the youngest children to use language in a non-social way.

Question: 6.The author analogizes experienced writers who think too much about their audiences
as a salesman trained to look the customer in the eye or an “ineffective actor whose
consciousness of self distracts us: he makes us too aware of his own awareness of us” (p.
54) and the other type of writing as “the performance of the actor who has managed to
stop attracting attention to her awareness of the audience watching her” (p. 54). Can you
interpret the author’s implication by these two analogies? How do you agree/disagree on his
point of view? Please explain.
Respond: The author implication by these analogies is that the first writing is about how the writer is trying to be professional towards the audience. While the other writing is just the writer being natural to his audience and also doesn’t care about the audience just writes whatever he feels and thinks. I agree about this point of view because I would like someone who is natural of what he is trying to write not just to be professional and try to be like a salesman. We also think that everybody has different points of views and work different and mainly think different about the audience.

SQR5

Victoria Hernandez
Eng 1320/1301.161
Prof: Trang Phan
Date: 9/29/10



SQR 5
Citation: Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41 No. 1(Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37.

The article “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”, written by Linda Flower is based on the simple question “if writing is expressing what you think then why is it so hard to write?” Linda explores the relationship between “Writer-Based Prose”, which is the most familiar writing style and can be recognized by the structure, function, and style. Reader-Based Prose is also the connection that the writer tries to make between the writing and the reader. The two main parts to answering these questions are called “Inner Speech and Egocentrism”. In a similar study done by Jean Piaget and Lev Vygotsky both observed a pattern in children which they later named “the mode of speech”. When children played they “carry on spirited elliptical monologues, which mean that they only talk about themselves. In speech what we say does not always come out the same on paper or make much since in a simpler phenomenon “inner speech”. Both child and elders share three common features: a highly ellipiptical, secondly, inner speech frequently deals in the sense of words and third egocentric/inner speech is the absence of logical and causal relations.
Question
How would you identify a Writer-Based Prose and a Reader-Based Prose?
Response
Writer-Based prose represents a major and familiar mode of expression which we all use from time to time or in other word you can identify by identified by features of structure, function, and style. But Reader-Based Prose are Reader-Based prose is a deliberate attempt to communicate something to the reader

SQR #5

G. Berenise De La Rosa & Zaira Montellano

Trang Phan

ENG 1320/1301. 161

September 27, 2010

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Citation: Linda Flower. “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”. College English, Vol. 41 No. 1(Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37.

The idea of this article was to explain Writer-Based Prose, the cognitive basis for problems in writing. There is two Prose’s, Writer-Based Prose and Reader-Based Prose, and each one has a different meaning. In my opinion, Writer-Based Prose is more like a prose where a writer writes himself/herself to understand it, it’s just adequate for a writer. A Reader-Based Prose is a deliberate attempt to communicate something to a reader, which means it is written to inform readers about things. It speaks about inner speech and egocentrism speech, which are the absence of logical and casual relations. Egocentrism is a reflection of a child’s limited ability to assume a point of view, which means the child talks to him/herself. Is shows examples of drafts of some reports they have done showing what steps and important information they did. What is also talked about in this article is the implications for writers and teachers, in composition courses Writer-Based Prose is one of the problems , its major cause of that is the communication of the writer and reader. Writers’ and readers do not communicate much which makes it difficult for them to understand each other. Reader-Based Prose is strived by writers since the beginning because they retrieve and organize information within frameworks. This article is just explaining the different types of Proses’ and how they function and giving examples of difficulties in writing.

Q.3. How does the author describe the egocentric nature?

Response: The author describes egocentric nature as non-communicative, it is a reflection, not of selfishness. Depending on how the child feels he/she does what he/she think is important without consulting anyone or getting help from anyone. For example; “the child talks only about himself, takes no interest in his interlocutor, does not try to communicate with others, expects no answers, and often does not even care whether anyone liestens to him.” This is meaning that the child does what he/she feels like doing without asking for any help or caring what others say or think. In a sense, the child’s cognitive capacity has locked in their own monologue. Monologue meaning, speaking his or her thoughts aloud, directly addressing another character, or speaking to the audience, especially the former.

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Brenda Carmona

ENG 1320/1301. 161

Trang Phan

9/28/10

Linda Flower “Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing”, College English, Vol. 41, No. 1(Sep., 1979), pp.19-37

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Writer-Based prose and Reader-Based prose are each a different kind of writing. Writer-Based prose focuses on yourself it is the work of one’s own verbal thought. It is not concerned how the reader understands it but how they better understand it. Their language shifts from one statement to another to express themselves. Writer-Based prose fails to do some Rhetorical Strategies because it doesn’t focus on the audiences understanding but on their own understanding.  Reader-Based focuses on the readers the writer tries to communicate the best way they can with the reader. Their language and structure reflects the purpose of the writer’s thoughts for the reader to better understand. Writer-Based prose can be useful in brainstorming or writing a rough draft and once the person has done that you can revise it with characteristics of the Reader-Based prose. Egocentric nature is known when someone talks only about themselves, lacks the ability to see others points of views or opinions it is not the proper way to go. It is selfish if you know you are doing it and keep doing it on purpose but it isn’t selfish when it comes to your knowledge. 

Question:

How would you identify Writer-Based prose and Reader-Based prose?

Response:

To begin with everyone writes a different way so it can be any of these two kinds of writings. Writer-Based prose is when someone focuses just on themselves and what he/she understands rather than is the audience understands what he/she is writing about. “It is the record and the working of his or her own verbal thought. (pg. 18)” Their language usually shifts from one statement to another to express themselves. Reader-Based prose is when the writer tries to communicate with the reader the best way he/she can. “Reader-Based prose reflects the purpose of the writers thoughts. (pg. 19)”

SQR 5 Mireya Gonzalez and Irma De Leon

Mireya Gonzalez

Irma Y. De Leon

ENG1312/1301.161

Instructor: Trang Phan

Date 9/27/10

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Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing

Author(s): Linda Flower

Source: College English, Vol. 41, No. 1(Sep., 1979), pp.19-37

Summary

            The prose of this article is to explain modes of verbal expression how people write and the way they write. There two different of methods one is reader-Based prose is a deliberate attempt to communicate something to a reader and issue-centered rhetorical it is the language and structure that reflect the propose of the writers thoughts. The lawyers have good structure of style they communicate natural but private expression. The other is that anybody who is a writer can write and express different because the way of their speech is more simple it in take no interest in his interlocutor not try to communicate and express no answers and does not even care whether anyone listens to him.

            A text or paragraph the section can be considered a psychological theory of egocentrism and inner speech for this article.  Talking about a writer Based prose is a functional system not a random error known, that means how to express yourself and explain major points about a  

            A detailed analysis of an article. There is 50% of a survey that egocentric nature, the speech is a reflection, not of selfishness in a child limited to assume the point of view of the listeners, we called it inner speech and finally a future of egocentric inner is the absence of logical and casual relation of a speech.

Question

How does the Author describe the egocentric nature?

Response

  The author describes the egocentric nature as lack of knowledge. What the author means is the ability of inexperience and assumes being selfish and a formal relation conceptual through of a critical expository writing. Some of the authors wording was that we can also diminish writers based prose because many expressions and many details can diminish too much details and expressions reader base organize, structure, how to look for information and key words.   

SQR#5 Israel Flores, Edgar Ocana

Israel Flores, Edgar Ocana

ENG 1320/1301. 161

Instructor: Trang Phan

Date: 9/29/10

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Citation: Linda Flower, Source: college English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37

Summary:

            In this article both of writing and a style of thought, Writer-Based prose is a natural and adequate for writing to him or her. However, it is the source of some of the most common and pervasive problems in academic and professional writing. This analysis of Writer-Based prose style and the transformation that create Reader-Based prose will explore two hypotheses. Writer-Based prose can be identified by feature of structure, function, and style. It shares many of these features with the modes of inner and egocentric speech. The second hypothesis is the notion of transforming one’s own Writer Based style has proved to be a powerful idea with a build-in method. The egocentric talk of the child and the mantel, inner speech of the adult share three important features in common. First, they are highly elliptical. In talking to one the psychological subject of discourse. Secondly, inner speech frequently deals in the sense of words, not their more specific or limited public meanings. A third feature of egocentric/inner speech is the absence of logical and causal relations. It helps the writer attack this demanding cognitive task with some of the thoroughness and confidence that comes from an increased and self-conscious control over the abilities they already have and a more precise introduction to some skills they may yet develop.

Question:

What is writer- based prose and what its advantages? Explain.

Response:

What is writer-based prose?   Writer based prose is a verbal expression written by a writer to himself and for himself.  This is a journal of what the writer are thinking, emotions and studies in text.  These feelings and thoughts of certain subject or study what he/she would be involved in.  A writer is sometimes sought out to be selfish but I just that he/she is only go by what they have learned in the course of their work.  Egocentrism is the term most used in this senrial.  When the writer is recording and gathering all of the research in mostly a journal, the writer has to then find a systematic approach to put the findings into a structure that the reader will be able to comprehend.  This transformation is known as reader-based prose.  When the writer is properly taught how to transform there work is has its advantages.  An advantage it holds value and feelings that the writer can communicate to the reader. Transforming the writer-base prose is not only a necessity but I can begin the foundation for educational writing skills enhancement.  This transformation allows the writer to give and motivation and that push that inexperience writer will recognize and need to introduce a special skill and ability that they have and us for writing.  Writer-base prose is inner verbal communication that the writer has that represents and express to the audience.  Writers want to be reader-based prose as they begin to arrange and organize there framework of reader/writer contrast.  When analyzing the complex process of the writing and transforming to the reader the writer-based prose is excellent alternative for that.  Even though the writer only gives what he/she has gather in the course of their observation, they can give enough information and detail to paint a mental illustration for the reader to understand and appreciate the content to the article.

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Ryan Pena, Andrew

Eng 1320/1301.161

Prof: Trang Phan

Date: 9/29/10

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A cognitive basis for problems in writing starts of with a very excellent yet difficult question, “Why is writing often such a difficult thing to do”?

The answer is because even though we are straightforward with saying what we mean; readers often misinterpret what the writer is saying, so in conclusion a better model of the writing process is needed. Which brings out the point of writer-based prose which is a description of the under transformed mode of verbal expression, the article explains that this type of writing is a common problem in academic and professional writing, and that the symptoms range from an underdeveloped idea to an unfocused, pointless discussion. The Article then brings up reader-based prose, which is a deliberate attempt to communicate something to a reader.

The Article then goes on to talk about the inner speech and egocentrism in writing, which is basically what children would do if they were playing around, like creating monologues, which makes no sense to the listener. An example of egocentrism would be as if a child were talking, they would talking only about themselves and not really communicating with the other person, so they would expect no answers and would not care if anybody were listening to them or not.

Question:

Why does egocentrism and inner speech connect with how a child would speak to someone?

The egocentrism and inner speech connect because in most children’s speech, their talk was egocentric in nature, which is a reflection of the child’s limited ability to assume the point of view of the listener.

Sebastian Salinas Treviño- David Munoz
ENG 1320/1301.161
Instructor: Trang Phan
Date: 28/09/2010

Linda Flower, Source: college English,

Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37

WRITER-BASED PROSE: A COGNITIVE BASIS FOR PROBLEMS IN WRITING

Summary:

A writer-based prose is a verbal expression written by a writer to himself and for himself. It is like his own thought of the article, and the reader-based prose is to communicate something to a reader, to express an idea of something.

The writer-based prose can be identificated by features of structure, function and style. In the writer-based prose the reader is forced to do most of the work. He has to think all the article and get his own conlussions of it, maybe it is a Little more difficult, but the reader will get better conclussions of that because he will put more attention in the article and he will understand it more.

The style of writer-base prose has its own logic. Its two main stylistic features grow out of the prívate nature of interior monologue, and in this monologue the structure and the organization of the words and the sentences reflects the focus  of the writers attention, and what he wants to do more énfasis.

In fact the writer-base prose is writing whose meaning is still an important thing in the writers head.

How does the author describe the egocentric nature?

The egocentric nature to him, is just writing to understand your self , not worring about others to understand the full meaning, he describes this nature describing a child that with out knowing writes in a selfish way, and talks about his points of views, meaning that the writing is not going to be fully understood by the whole public due to a lack of explanations on the writing.  In other words egocentric is just to be concerned with your self and not really concern about the understading of the public.

Sebastian Salinas Treviño-David Munoz
ENG 1320/1301.161
Instructor: Trang Phan
Date: 28/09/2010

Linda Flower, Source: college English,

Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37

WRITER-BASED PROSE: A COGNITIVE BASIS FOR PROBLEMS IN WRITING

Summary:

A writer-based prose is a verbal expression written by a writer to himself and for himself. It is like his own thought of the article, and the reader-based prose is to communicate something to a reader, to express an idea of something.

The writer-based prose can be identificated by features of structure, function and style. In the writer-based prose the reader is forced to do most of the work. He has to think all the article and get his own conlussions of it, maybe it is a Little more difficult, but the reader will get better conclussions of that because he will put more attention in the article and he will understand it more.

The style of writer-base prose has its own logic. Its two main stylistic features grow out of the prívate nature of interior monologue, and in this monologue the structure and the organization of the words and the sentences reflects the focus  of the writers attention, and what he wants to do more énfasis.

In fact the writer-base prose is writing whose meaning is still an important thing in the writers head.

How does the author describe the egocentric nature?

The egocentric nature to him, is just writing to understand your self , not worring about others to understand the full meaning, he describes this nature describing a child that with out knowing writes in a selfish way, and talks about his points of views, meaning that the writing is not going to be fully understood by the whole public due to a lack of explanations on the writing.  In other words egocentric is just to be concerned with your self and not really concern about the understading of the public.

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Raymundo Rivera/Guillermo Cabrera

ENG 1320/1301 161

September 28, 2010

Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problem in Writing

Author: Linda Flower, Source: college English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37

Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive Basis for Problem in Writing

            Linda starts the article with a great question, “why is writing often such a difficult thing to do?” Is hard for the writers to express exactly what they want to say, because we all think, understand and we all have different points of view of writings. Writers express themselves, and they perform as readers to see if it is easy to understand the meaning of his composition.

            Inner speech and Egocentrism this involves little to no social communicative functions as it said on Linda’s article. Egocentrism is when the child talks only about himself, does not expects answers and doesn’t care if people listens to him. The structure of Writer-Based prose; readers’ expect a good structure in a composition, we want things to be well organized and easy to understand with a good structure full of data and information. Is hard for a writer to explain what he is thinking, and write it down because is different how we think and the way we talk, this phrase came from this “think it/say it”. Formal writers have two main goals, one of them is to choose a more elegant way of explaining the meaning of the writing in other way they want to make thinks look more professional. The second one is to complete autonomy of the text which creates more complex problems. The article ends up with Linda saying that Writer-Based prose is not a composite of errors or a mistake that should be scrapped.

How does the author describe the egocentric nature?

She describes egocentric mainly talking about children. She describes it has inner speech; it is mainly when we write things for us. When the child doesn’t expect any question or answer to what he is writing. He only worries that he understands what he is writing down and really don’t care is people around listen to what he is trying to say. Inner speech and egocentric involves little to no social communication functions. Egocentric is perfect for people that aren’t good at dealing with other people. Egocentric is when a child talks only about himself and does not expect that people question his thoughts and ideas.  

SQR# 5 ROCIO RENDON , MAYRA HERNANDEZ

Rocio Rendon, Mayra Hernandez

ENG. 1320/1301.161

Instructor: Trang Phan

September 29, 2010

SQR#5: Writer-based prose- A Cognitive Basis for Problems in Writing

.This article is try to explain if the writing is the simple act of “expressing what you think”, so why is too complex to do? Although we did the writing with the simple act of “saying what we think”, instead writers go through and the misinterpretations readers still make suggest that we need a better model of this process. An alternative process to “think it/say it” model is to say that effective writers transform it in exactly and complex but describable ways for the needs of a reader, we may find that ineffective writers are indeed merely “expressing” themselves by offering up an unreduced and under processed version. Writer-Based prose is a description of this under transformed mode of verbal expression. In function, writer-based prose is a verbal expression writer by a writer to himself. It is record and the working of his own verbal thought, in structure: Writer-based prose reflects the associate, narrative path of writer`s and language, it explain that use her of privately loaded terms but unexpressed contexts for her statement. However, it is the source of the most common and persuasive problems in academic and professional writing. On the other hand Reader-Based prose is a deliberate try to communicate something to a reader and creates a shared language context between writer and reader, and also offers the reader an issue-centered rhetorical structure rather of the writers discovery process and finally the Reader-based prose reflects the purpose of the writer`s thought.

· Question:

What are the differences between Writer-Based prose and Reader-Based prose?

· Response:

The differences are that Writer-Based purpose is a description of the transformed mode of verbal expression, it also natural and had for a writer writing to himself. Instead the Reader-Based prose is a deliberate try to communicate something to a reader creates and shared language context between writer and reader, and also offers the reader an issue-centered rhetorical structure rather of the writers discovery process and finally the Reader-based prose reflects the purpose of the writer`s thought.

SQR #5 Miguel Garcia, Jose Mata

Student’s name: Jose Mata, Miguel A. Garcia
ENG 1320/1301. 161
Instructor’s name: Trang Phan
Date: September 29, 2010

Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive for Problems in Writing

This article talks about the differences between writing and talking, although we often equate writing with the straightforward act of saying that we mean there are important details to know. Writing prose that actually communicates what we mean to another person demands more than a simple act of self expression, what communication theory does not tell us is how writers do it.

            The writer-based prose is the expression of writer’s thoughts written by his self to his self. It tends to reflect the process of rhetorical thinking. The writer-based prose replay the writer’s discovering process without letting the reader the developing of the rhetorical structure. As well as inner speech, the writer-base prose assumes the understanding of the people and does not care about the needs of the reader. It is like an egocentric speech, it only talks about itself, does not expect any reaction from the reader.

The writer not only writes what he thinks, he has to transform his words and ideas in complex but describable ways for the needs of the reader. Writers has to use their own experience and information in order to turn facts into concepts, articulate the meaning they saw in the data ,secondly  writers has to build  a rhetorical structure which help him to recognize  the function of these ideas have for the reader. Headings, topic, sentences and even some of the subjects are very important because everyone conform the rhetorical structure

Writer-Based Prose: A Cognitive for Problems in Writing

Author: Linda Flower

Source: College English, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Sep., 1979), pp. 19-37

The writer-base prose is important because is the expression of the writer’s feelings the “felt sense,” yet the writer must know how to transform the paper to enable the reader to develop a rhetorical structure of the paper.

How transformation affects writer-base prose?

            The writer base prose does not let the reader to develop a rhetorical structure, does not give enough information and does not care about the reader needs. With the transformation the writer is more aware of reader expectations and turns the facts into concepts. This way the reader has a better understanding and is able to create a rhetorical structure of the text.